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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: ITG3 Steps R3! Reply with quote

its in the works right now. i thought that since no one was going to do quality control for steps anymore, skinticket and i decided to step up and do it.

since he rewrote many of the non dev charts that most ppl thought sucked, id thought id just throw the following idea out there:

if anyone at all is interested in still restepping any non dev chart for the itg3 project, submit them in this thread.

before anyone starts complaining "omg, just stfu, we have all the charts blah blah blah," seriously, i dont want to hear it. either make positive contributions to the project or keep your bitching to yourself. skinticket and i are just trying to improve on many of the charts that werent favorable, but since he rewrote many of them, i thought it would be unfair for him to hog all the glory, so if anyone thinks they can write a much better chart than he can, or thinks they can write a chart much better than the ones being used in R2, lets see them.

charts that need a big overhaul still include less than three SX, Ra SX, and possibly virtual emotion SX (the current 10 SX chart was written by d. damato way after the leak, and was requested by skinticket for damato to make way after the lawsuit and stuff, so it kind of isn't really an "official" chart). if anyone can write a damn good 12 block chart, virtual emotion is a likely canidate and possibly ra. we kind of have a good 12 edit for VE, but it needs some touch ups, imo. for a good balance in step chart difficulty, one more 13 might be good, although, not entirely necessary, but a couple of more 12's would be great. a likely canidate for a 13 would be PFB SX, but mdawgs and skintickets 12s are pretty damn good already.

after we get some better submissions for these charts and quality check the rest of the singles charts, i may upload within a few days, maximum. i tested the hell out of the new expert charts skinticket wrote to various songs and they are freakin awesome.

just to let everyone know right now, the r3 is just going to be focusing on the singles charts. the doubles probably wont need too much revision because the devs did way more doubles than singles charts anyways, so much less to go through. R4 will touch up on the doubles charts only if needed. actually, come to think of it, i believe that heel and toe still needs some doubles steps. m. emzarian has one chart thats just 1st player left taps, and another sm in his name that has nothing written at all, i believe. further research on the doubles charts will come after R3 is complete.

if this thread gets a lot of positive feedback, i may just upload all the current stuff thats been redone much sooner than later, but id rather wait till the 3 charts in question get restepped first, and in the mean time, i will quality check the rest of the singles charts, which probably wont take that long. if anything, all that needs to be done is to fix a few steps in some of the charts, and rerate some of the charts.the biggest aspect of this revision is to have awesomely stepped SX charts, at least the ones that can be helped.

http://files.filefront.com/In+The+Groove+3+OG+R+32Ses7z/;12506019;/fileinfo.htmlSH fixes (still not complete, ive just been too lazy lately, i would like to make some more fixes, unless lightning made them already)


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds great, improvement is always good. (as is admitting that there is space for huge improvements)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: ITG3 Steps R3! Reply with quote

T-Dog! wrote:
the doubles probably wont need too much revision because the devs did way more doubles than singles charts anyways, so much less to go through. R4 will touch up on the doubles charts only if needed.


Especially on lower difficulties, they really do. But by the time I was ready to think about looking into it, nobody was giving a crap. (Although that does imply that people actually cared about DE charts in the first place...)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ehh, it's going to be annoying if people have to specify which version of the chart they were playing when they post a score for <insert ITG3 song here>
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll make a Ra SX chart at some point or another because I hate the current awful chart it has now.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DF.Zetorux wrote:
Ehh, it's going to be annoying if people have to specify which version of the chart they were playing when they post a score for <insert ITG3 song here>


sure, that can be a problem. what i recommend is that after we arrive at R4, submit all the steps to groovestats, then we will no longer update the charts. until they get onto groovestats, any non dev chart can be revised.

also, in the pack im working on, i am including songfiles for "another" charts. for instance, the official esperanza has a fully stepped official singles, but emizarian also wrote an 11 block edit, so i copied the song folder, deleted everything in the sm except the edit chart, changed edit to expert in the sm, added "[Another]" into the subtitle of the sm. i also did this for all the other fully stepped official files that also had official edits, plus to stop and go and hasse mich, because those edits were fucking awesome too. the reason for all that is because having edits in the sm just looks horrible imo, second we didn't throw away any official charts, and finally, when competing for scores on groovestats or whatever, there will be no discrepency on scores. saying i got a xx.xx on esperanza SX will be way different than saying i got a xx.xx on esperanza [Another] sx, reason being that they are obviously different charts.

there were some edits that were thrown away for various reasons:
1. the current hard or expert charts were way fucking better than the edits attached, probably because someone submitted a way better chart.
2. edits may have been replaced with already stepped charts and those were thrown away (skinticket had a 9 block edit to fantasia, which i opted to use in place of mdawgs hard chart, because it kinda sucked, and i left the SX alone. also, the collab chart to cave drips was swapped for the expert because it was a better chart, plus it fit the whole hand gimmick. third, evildaves vertex^3 SX chart i thought was a disaster of a chart, so i replaced that one with skintickets edit. if ppl complain, then evildaves can be made ito an "another" chart.there probably are other examples, but idk off the top of my head.)
3. as stated above, some edits were too good to trash, so it got separated into its own song folder.
4. the edits may have been good already, but stylistically, weren't all that different from the expert charts (2 examples being mdawgs 10 block tribe attacker and bluechaos 11 block supremacy edits.) the only charts that we opted for [anothers] were much harder than the current SX charts and/or varied stylistically from the SX (d. kincel's stop and go was a damn good example.)

ALSO (sorry for the all caps, but its important) ANYONE THAT WANTS TO HELP OUT SKINTICKET AND I ARE COMPLETELY WELCOME. LIGHTNING, KUNG, AND COMPANY HAVE THEIR HANDS TIED WITH THE THEME, SO THEY PROBABLY WONT HELP OUT MUCH FOR THE STEPS. SKINTICKET AND I DO GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE FINAL OUTCOME OF THIS PROJECT, AND IT WOULDNT HURT TO HAVE MORE PPL THAT GIVE A FUCK. WE NEED HELP ON THE QUALITY CHECK OF DOUBLES, WHICH INVOLVES TOUCH UPS ON CURRENT CHARTS, WRITING/REWRITING CURRENT CHARTS, AND RERATING MISRATED SONGS. THANK YOU ALL!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuck Royal Crest wrote:
I'll make a Ra SX chart at some point or another because I hate the current awful chart it has now.


sigma, that is awesome. if you got the skills, aim for a 12 block difficulty. there are a shit ton of trills. if i can suggest, go for kind of a euphoria SX style chart if possible. if the chart becomes a disaster, then making a 10 or 11 chart is fine. thanks man.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRIPLE POST, IM A WHORE!!!

http://files.filefront.com/ITG3+OG+R31+no+baked+vids/;12029486;/fileinfo.html

anyways, i decided to upload the current r3, just for ppl to see what charts have been changed. lets call this revision 3.1, because i didnt touch up the rest of the singles charts yet, and there are a few SX charts that still need some work, which i will mention later.

heres a list so far of whats been updated:

-revised All that Matters SX 9.

-r2 cave drips SX dropped, replaced with the edit in r2.

-shortened a couple of holds in dance vibrations SX, the current chart had 2 unintentional hand placements that were resolved from shorting 2 holds.

-dropped povermo's edit to dawn -perpetual mix- wasnt really different than the SX chart, just more streamy and handy. was unnecessary.

-dropped dj superstar edit, wasnt really that good, sue me.

-fantasia SH was removed and substituted by the edit in r2.

-feels just like that night SX- right before the first 16th stream begins, there was a jump hold with a hand plant at the end. not a proper usage of hands, so, the jump hold was revised to a right hold, and that hand plant became a left arrow tap.

-dropped groovin' motions SX by emizarian, and replaced with colleys edit as the new expert. emizarians chart wasnt really official, because that was an autogened piece of shit from DX to SX. theres no way in hell emizarian wrote that singles garbage.

-hanging on SX was rerated to a 9.

-revised my collab chart of heel and toe SX. still a 10 though. also, dropped mdawgs edit chart.

-King Kong SX-a couple of holds were shortened in the beginning to eliminate unintentional double steps, and a jump hold was lengthened to eliminate an easy cheat of a hand plant somewhere in the middle of the chart.

-new Land of the Rising Sun (diskowarp mix) SX 10. much better than r2's chart.

-new chart for Less that Three (DISCLAMER-the chart was sssmsn chart from his pack in r21freak, was used with permission, but the chart is very very repetitive, but honestly, still better that the chart being used in r2.)

-moonstone SX rerated to a 9.

-Re-Rave edit dropped.

-holy shit! prepare youselves for this one. new PFB 12 chart. mdawgs chart was a good chart, but it was too much of a DX to SX chart. so skinticket made a new chart that was a little bit stylistically different. its not too different, but some changes are noticible. have fun with that one.

-Round and Round edit dropped. j bolts chart was too over the top on spins, and not a very good chart; didnt really flow very well. colleys chart is the new official expert.

-new Smells Like a Chocolate SX 10.

-new Snow Stream SX 10.

-dropped edits for southcoast calling.

-dropped edits in starfield.

- new Sundance SX 9.

-dropped edit for supremacy.

-dropped edit for temple of love. wayyyyy to repetitive, and not nearly as good as d. runberg's chart.

-dropped d. damatos edit for that is fair. there was nothing in the sm. there was another song that this happened to, i believe, but i cant remember which song it was. doesnt matter anyways, because theres nothing wrong with deleting an official step chart if the chart had no freakin steps in the first place.

-dropped tribe attacker edit. stylistically the same a d. damatos SX chart, but a 16th stream at the end. big deal.

-this might also be controversial, but i dropped evildaves Vertex^3 SX chart and replaced it with skintickets edit. his chart way to fucked up to do. if ppl disagree, and the problem with the chart i have is just because i suck, well, then ill put it back in as an "another" chart. TBH, his first version of the chart was waaaaayyy better. his chart in r2 was deliberately made to be LOL freakin impossible hard. also, the medium 10 was rerated to a 9.

-new Virtual Emotion SX 12 chart. needs to be touched up. D Damatos chart was dropped because it wasnt really official. skinticket asked him to make it way after the leak (i think i explained this already in an earlier post, so....). this chart needs to be touched up a little IMO. ill discuss that later.

-Wham Bam Boogie SX 9 was dropped in favor of S Hansons 10 edit. Hansons chart was wayyy better anyways.

A FEW DISCLAMERS: any other attached edits that were not mentioned were put into a new song folder, and renamed <insert song here> [Another]. i did this like 6 times so...whatever. Also, to keep the download file small, i deleted all the baked videos for this project, and also deleted all the bgchanges in the sms. i know many worked hard on those videos, but since this project was released way before the ITG Rebirth project, i figured now that many ppl have open itg with the rebirth videos now, they will work just fine for itg3 videos. if ppl get pissed off, maybe ill update the sms to work with the baked videos, or if anyone wants, they can do it themselves.

also, bagpipe SX, land of imagination SX, and who SX are all technically sound charts, i think those need to be touched up somewhat. theres no real pattern to the charts, they just feel haphazardly thrown together and over stepped (not so much on bagpipe, but definately the other 2 charts). anyone feels like editing them, knock yourself out.

Less that Three SX is very repetitive; still looking for a new chart. Ra SX still has a shitty SX chart. sorry....


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

should rescript them with the Rebirth stuff maybe.

I have a Virtual Emotion script though...
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Is the V^3 chart a dev chart? 'cause it's pretty horrible. I wrote a VVV chart that is much closer to the chart in Pump Pro if you're interested in it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

none of the v^3 charts were devs. the current singles i believe are mj quiglys novice through hard, evil dave had the expert, and skinticket had an edit. for this revision, i deleted evildaves chart and made skintickets edit the new expert.

also, anyone can feel free to upload any nondev chart of their own. hell, anyone can submit an edit to a fully stepped dev chart and it can be an "another" chart, as long as its stylistically different than a dev chart. (the hasse mich 13 and stop and go 11 are great examples).

also, cosmicpope, would you resubmit your VE chart from one of your packs and resync it to the sm in itg3 please?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DF.CosmicPope wrote:
Is the V^3 chart a dev chart? 'cause it's pretty horrible. I wrote a VVV chart that is much closer to the chart in Pump Pro if you're interested in it.


So did I. I'll have to see if I still have it around here somewhere.


Edit: I found it! Here it is:
http://files.filefront.com/V3rar/;12030319;/fileinfo.html
it probably isn't synced, it probably needs work on the step placements, and it isn't r21 compatible, but as far as I know, the steps are set on the same beats as the ones from Pump Pro's VVV. Whoever wants to can edit this, but I won't be going back to it.
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Edit: I found it! Here it is:
http://files.filefront.com/V3rar/;12030319;/fileinfo.html
it probably isn't synced, it probably needs work on the step placements, and it isn't r21 compatible, but as far as I know, the steps are set on the same beats as the ones from Pump Pro's VVV. Whoever wants to can edit this, but I won't be going back to it.

I'll sync it but only IF the audio is good quality, VVV was the worst song from all of ITG 3 IMO due to the audio file. I'll report back with some corrections if I like this.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there was a line out of the song released a while back. i thought it was a great quality, but whatever. its not the one that was recorded off of youtube when those 2 guys unlocked the vVv from pump, where one of them said "just don't let it go past 30" or something like that.

ALSO ON A SIDE NOTE, TO EVERYONE DL'ING THIS REVISION:

my bad, i forgot to delete the edit attached to "the universe beside you." everyone go into your sms and delete the edit file. dont worry about losing the chart, because the [another] chart already has it. i will fix that error on my part in the next revision, whenever that happens.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DF.CosmicPope wrote:
Is the V^3 chart a dev chart? 'cause it's pretty horrible. I wrote a VVV chart that is much closer to the chart in Pump Pro if you're interested in it.


Oh god, here comes the 16 charts for VVV SX. Shocked

I actually have one old SX chart for VVV that was made by Sk8mag but he didn't release it since back then, the submissions for the chart were already done. I'll gladly upload it only if it's going to be considered to be the new SX chart. In my opinion, his chart follows the bass rush at the end the best out of all of the other chart submissions.
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